A View From Left Field: Republicans Eat Their Own

Republicans Eat their Own


I don’t know what it is, but the Republicans have a peculiar faculty for eating their own. After sampling their flavors of the month this presidential season, namely Bachmann, Perry, Cain, Gingrich, Santorum and now Romney, they proceeded to “throw them under the bus.” While they debate on which types of capitalism are most offensive, I for one, wish to thank them for making this important debate public.

As the nation watches this melee, I can’t help wondering how anyone could support a party that is so disrespectful to its family members. Republicans have skewed so far to the right that they provide little room for anyone. To belong, you must declare God the answer to all things, and desire to shrink government to such a small size that, as Grover Norquist succinctly put it, “it can be drowned in a bathtub.”

The wealth in this country is increasingly collecting in the coffers of the top 1 percent, and, I might add, to the detriment of 99 percent of the rest of us. Like it or not, we are in a class warfare struggle and most of us are losing. The blame can be squarely laid at the feet of our unfair tax code. Follow the Republican agenda of less and less taxes and watch as our decline gets precipitously worse.

Quietly the GOP has sought to privatize everything … our military, our schools, our social programs and our retirement. Take away the legitimate function of government and you have a free-for-all. Maybe we can start wearing loin cloths, carry big sticks and return to a cave mentality.

We live in precarious times and our problems demand forward-thinking solutions. Let’s grow beyond gay bashing, Roe vs. Wade and theocracy instead of democracy. Besides, these issues have already been settled legally.

Our nation needs to switch focus and compete more effectively in an ever-challenging world. If we hadn’t knuckled under to greed for more profit, the world wouldn’t be selling us products that we can very ably produce for ourselves. Also, unemployment in the U.S. would be much lower and our national debt would be smaller or non-existent.

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Scott Killeen January 19, 2012 at 05:26 PM
Current European tax rates: United Kingdom / Income Tax: 50% VAT: 17.5% TOTAL: 67.5% Germany / Income Tax: 45% VAT: 19% TOTAL: 64% France / Income Tax: 40% VAT: 19.6% TOTAL: 59.6% Greece / Income Tax: 40% VAT: 25% TOTAL: 65% Spain / Income Tax: 45% VAT: 16% TOTAL: 61% Portugal / Income Tax: 42% VAT: 20% TOTAL: 62% VAT is a Value Add Tax...get ready because people like Gary are leading the way! And not one of the countries mentioned above are any better off that the USA and most are in worse economical shape than the USA! Who wants to live their life were over 50% of your working / living days are for supporting a government? The top 1% of wage earners start at $353,000+ per year The top 5% of wage earners start at $164,000+ per year
Gary Miller January 19, 2012 at 06:31 PM
Hi Scott, Your comments are very illuminating, but they don't cover the most important issues. First of all you left off the Scandinavian countries who probably pay higher taxes than the examples you quoted. The truth be known, it's not what you're taxed, but the value received. Most, if not all the European examples, have benefits for their citizens (paid for through taxation) that far outweigh what we get at home...Medicare being the prime example. You like the rugged individualism model where it's every man or women for themselves. I prefer a society where government tries to achieve the greatest good for the greatest number. It's a philosphical difference and it's hard to prove which method brings the best results. I guess each of us just has to follow his heart. Our debate continues. .
Scott Killeen January 19, 2012 at 07:26 PM
So should America be a large communal society? Everyone having the same as the next person? Were YOU born to live your life for a government? Did your parents want to have a child to support a country? Did they wish upon that child to live half of it's life to support a country? Now in the near future about 50% of your living life will be to support what a government wants out of you? It does not sound right does it? The old saying of if it doesn't sound right it probably isn't! When the largest employer in this country is the national, state and local governments there is a underlying problem. So did you have your child to support a government?
Gary Miller January 19, 2012 at 10:30 PM
Scott, you miss the point. It's a reciprocal action. We are taxed by the government and they in turn provide services. Would you like to build your own roads, educate your children and yourself, fight your own wars, self monitor your food supply and on and on and on? Get it? It's a shared experience between people and government. A progressive tax structure served this country well for approximately 100 years. It only when the extreme "haves", individuals and corporations alike, got greedy and pushed the tax burden disproportionately onto middle class America, did our nation begin to buckle under the strain. There is little money to serve the legitimate needs of government, because tax money has been given back, for the most part, to the "Imperials" so they can play investment roulette with it. I'm not interested in sameness, just fairness.
Scott Killeen January 19, 2012 at 11:26 PM
Gary, you missed the point of living for yourself or for a government. The reciprocal aspect of living to give money to the government is not in balance, sameness or fairness. With the over spending of trillions of dollars by the government, every child today will be working to pay the government in the future and not for their own livelihood. The more over spending now, the less livelihood every child will have in the future. Is that fair?
Gary Miller January 20, 2012 at 12:25 AM
Scott, the government and the people should work hand in hand. We are both on the same team. It's not an either or situation. The recent massive overspending began with Bush. Fight two wars and couple them with massive tax cuts for the rich. Unpresedented! Were you complaining then? Obama inherited a bankrupt economy. Jobs had been hemorrhaging for years, thanks to your pals moving jobs overseas. President Obama spent to save the country from a fate worse than a deep recession, a depression. Besides, he succeeded. Our economy has begun to show some life. As the economy grows, revenues will come in to minimize the debt. We are not out of the woods yet, but we are headed in the right direction. Recovery doen't happen overnight, you know that. Any comments on Mitt Romney being in the 15% tax bracket? If he paid his fair share, our kids would be burdened with far less debt.
Scott Killeen January 20, 2012 at 01:05 AM
FYI- I did complain then as I do now! Why is it you ALWAYS need to blame someone? Where is that hand in hand thing you were just talking about? Come on, same team...right? How is it that a government, national, state or local can over spend to save itself but a family will lose everything if it does the same thing? If the government took 50% of it's citizens earnings, it still would not be enough! Hence look at my first post, if that is not proof that a larger government is not a better government then what is? The people in Europe take a two month vacation every year! Why, because for 3/4 of the year they are living for a government to take care of them. Reciprocal you say?
Scott Killeen January 20, 2012 at 03:26 PM
So this is what reciprocal action looks like in Greece. They pay 65% of their earned money to the government. They have roads, national protection, health care, education and so on. Did President Bush do this to Greece and most of Europe? People need to think about their children's future. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/20/us-greece-debt-idUSTRE80H04P20120120
Gary Miller January 20, 2012 at 06:10 PM
Bush is a major reason why our kids have a mortgaged future. He depleted the resources of our government by placing it in the hands of the "uber-rich" through his tax giveaways. If you really care about our children, let's get a fair and progressive tax system in place.
Gary Miller January 20, 2012 at 06:23 PM
Things don't happen in a vacuum. Usually, life operates through a cause/effect relationship. In politics, judgments are made, actions taken, and I along with every other citizen have the right to evaluate them. Isn't that what makes America great? Regarding government, large or small government is not the issue. It's efficiency that counts. Just this week President Obama moved to consolidate some governmental agencies to reduce costs and increase efficiency. Is your praise forthcoming?
Scott Killeen January 20, 2012 at 06:31 PM
Humm, I see blood bleed eyes again... President Bush must have been some kind of Anti-American, who knew? I wonder if some people think the same for President Obama? It seems like you don't want to grow between President bashing... So a "fair" system is to tax a wealthier person more? Take from the wealthy and give to the poor right? More taxation right? More welfare for people, right? And keep bashing President Bush, right? Something doesn't seem right...
Gary Miller January 20, 2012 at 06:45 PM
Today, taxes are structured for many wealthy persons to pay less while the less fortunate pay more. Mitt Romney, who makes millions yearly is in a much lower tax bracket (15%) than most working stiffs in America, is that right and is that fair?
Scott Killeen January 20, 2012 at 06:48 PM
President Obama is smart and wise to reduce costs of government, it is a very well known problem. Did you really say large government is not an issue? The largest employer in the country, 2,000,000+ (that's million) people being employed by a government is not a issue? Yes it's great that you spread hatred towards a President, America is great for that Gary...what is sad is that you can not add praise to anything past your allegiance to a political party.
Scott Killeen January 20, 2012 at 07:05 PM
So it seems that Mitt Romney is smart? He must use the laws that apply to everyone else, no? It's right that he uses those laws, it not illegal is it? It's fair if someone uses the law legally right? But then you say it's not. I wonder if President Obama gave half of his earned money to the government before he was President? He was and is in the top 1% of the wealthy in America. Or is Warren Buffet smarter just holding on to his money and not giving the government half of his earned money? I know he gives it to charity. Should all the wealth people stop giving to their charities and give the money to the government, is that fair? It seems that nothing is ever fair for you Gary? If Mitt Romney paid 50% of his earned money to the government you would find something else he did and say it was not fair. Am I wrong in thinking that way? Something just doesn't sound right...
Gary Miller January 20, 2012 at 11:52 PM
Scott, That political party you speak of represents my best interests, that's why I support it. Republicans, for the most part, answer to a higher authority....big money. I'm not part of that gang and they don't represent my goals or aspirations.
Gary Miller January 21, 2012 at 12:05 AM
While I think you are a bright man, in my judgment your political views are skewed in the wrong direction. I didn't say that Romney wasn't smart or doing anything illegal, I asked you if it's fair that upper income individuals like Romney pay a lower percentage of their income in taxes while ordinary folks pay a greater percentage of theirs? What doesn't sound right is your continuing effort to defend Wall Street America at the expense of Main Street America.
Scott Killeen January 21, 2012 at 01:24 AM
I'm one of those ordinary folks Mr. Miller. And I think it's right and fair for any American to legally become wealthy and take advantage of any situation the government allows to legally. If someone is smart enough to make it happen then more power to them. What is the different from a poorer person taking advantage of the federal, state and local governments dispersing them money legally? Giving them a break before little ole ordinary me. Your "Fair" only seems to point in one direction, now that doesn't sound fair to me. Fair might be everyone pays the same amount of tax then people who want to can give poorer people more money, even the government could give them back their money. That seems fair, equal and doesn't seem to pick on anyone, rich or poor. Or should the communal aspect come into play again? Take from the people who work to grow food and give to the people that watch the food grow.
Gary Miller January 24, 2012 at 12:53 AM
Scott, your "poor ole me" pitch strums at my heart strings. But, your real motives are readily transparent. Fair does not mean that everyone's treated the same. Some need more, some need less. Each of us is born unique and require differing assistance or lack thereof throughout our lifetime. Your pal, Mitt Romney pays a lower percentage in taxes than I do, yet he makes millions compared to my modest means. Is that fair? The greatest good, for the greatest number, that's the fairest for all. Your rugged individualism approach might be good for you, but not for the majority of Americans, myself included. I hope you never live to see the day when you are in need, and the rest of your country says tough, if you can't make it one your own, we can't help you. Are you so divorced from your fellow man that you've lost, or have no compassion for them. On another issue, try focusing on fact and win your arguments that way. Using references like "communal" for implicit labeling purposes is beneath you. Superior ideas, not mud slinging, offer the strongest support for your point of view. Let's disagree civilly. At least it keeps the discussion on a higher plane.
Scott Killeen January 24, 2012 at 11:48 PM
"The greatest good, for the greatest number, that's the fairest for all", if that is not communal living what is? You're very good at trying to demean someone yourself but hey that's a perfect analogy from a person who believes in a Democratic way of life. It's ALWAYS the others persons fault and their ideas are always wrong also. You always say you known better, all the time, you are superior, your belief is the better way. Why are people like you soooo envious of a wealthy person? Maybe I am misinformed... I have had wealthy people hire me for jobs but never a poor person? I have always helped out a poor friend but never a wealthy one... Is it true in your way of thinking that if I earn 400k a year and say I owe a bank 500K for loaning me money so I could live in a house, you believe I owe a poor person the same? A poorer person than myself deserves my earned money? They were born entitled to someone else's money? So you wake up in the morning and pay taxes all day long but that is just not good enough, right?
Scott Killeen January 25, 2012 at 04:49 AM
So it sounds like the President has the same views as Gary! Is it true that if an immigrant comes to the US, I should be taxed more so the immigrant and my neighbor has a more "fair" life through our government? It also sounds like the government will be buying universities with the threat of cutting off funding for expensive tuitions. What? They bought the health care system, so what's the difference with schools? Mark my words... Federal U is coming to a large city near you! Sorry Gary I could not wait for your next post on the Presidents State of The Union speech, it was a speech and not a campaign stop right? I hear ya, every President has done it through out the years...


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